<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Relativism and Bad Logic in Literature Circles</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles</link>
	<description>Working to Improve the Teaching of Literature</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:06:04 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clix</title>
		<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/comment-page-1#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Clix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles#comment-387</guid>
		<description>Hullo again! Well, what I thought of as I was looking over this was a short story that I wrote for a creative writing class back in college. Originally it was going to be about these friends who went on a road trip after graduation, but as it turned out, the story was like ten pages by the time the graduation ceremony started, so I fiddled with it a bit and made it end after graduation. So it ended up being about saying goodbye to friends, etc. and I called it &quot;They Didn&#039;t Go to Utah After All&quot; because that had been the early plan. 

Well, one of the other students pointed out that in the story, the friends had an opportunity to go beyond a casual relationship to something more meaningful and passed it up (in part because they knew they&#039;d be saying goodbye, in part because they were somewhat immature). He interpreted not going to Utah as a metaphor for the failure to deepen the relationship. 

This had nothing to do with my subconscious. The truth was both simpler and more shameful: The real reason they didn&#039;t go to Utah, and thus for the title, was because the story was due and I hadn&#039;t finished it!

His inferences were simple and logical.He supported his interpretation with evidence from the story itself.  Therefore, I have a hard time saying he was wrong, just because it wasn&#039;t what I had intended.

I would see interpretation as the attempt to seek accurate meaning from a text, period. IMO, meaning is independent of student reaction AND authorial intent - though I think both matter. Authorial intent matters because it shapes the work. Student reaction matters because we do not live in the same culture/environment that shaped the author, thus influencing the work. 

...

It makes sense INSIDE my head. I promise. ;p

*grin*

Thanks for posing such an intriguing thought-poker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hullo again! Well, what I thought of as I was looking over this was a short story that I wrote for a creative writing class back in college. Originally it was going to be about these friends who went on a road trip after graduation, but as it turned out, the story was like ten pages by the time the graduation ceremony started, so I fiddled with it a bit and made it end after graduation. So it ended up being about saying goodbye to friends, etc. and I called it &#8220;They Didn&#8217;t Go to Utah After All&#8221; because that had been the early plan. </p>
<p>Well, one of the other students pointed out that in the story, the friends had an opportunity to go beyond a casual relationship to something more meaningful and passed it up (in part because they knew they&#8217;d be saying goodbye, in part because they were somewhat immature). He interpreted not going to Utah as a metaphor for the failure to deepen the relationship. </p>
<p>This had nothing to do with my subconscious. The truth was both simpler and more shameful: The real reason they didn&#8217;t go to Utah, and thus for the title, was because the story was due and I hadn&#8217;t finished it!</p>
<p>His inferences were simple and logical.He supported his interpretation with evidence from the story itself.  Therefore, I have a hard time saying he was wrong, just because it wasn&#8217;t what I had intended.</p>
<p>I would see interpretation as the attempt to seek accurate meaning from a text, period. IMO, meaning is independent of student reaction AND authorial intent &#8211; though I think both matter. Authorial intent matters because it shapes the work. Student reaction matters because we do not live in the same culture/environment that shaped the author, thus influencing the work. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>It makes sense INSIDE my head. I promise. ;p</p>
<p>*grin*</p>
<p>Thanks for posing such an intriguing thought-poker!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/comment-page-1#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles#comment-369</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the comment!  Here are some random thoughts quickly put together to help get my meaning across:

I&#039;m not sure I agree that there are many possible &quot;correct&quot; meanings.  Correct in relation to what?  If it&#039;s in relation to the author&#039;s intended meaning, then isn&#039;t there only one correct interpretation--that which the author intended?

I&#039;m having a hard time imagining a correct interpretation that doesn&#039;t match what the author intended.  Isn&#039;t that called reading too much into the text?  Maybe in some fiction or poetry, when an author is trying to create a more direct experience, interpreting is somewhat irrelevant, especially if the author herself isn&#039;t aware of any conscious meaning.

But many authors (if not most) have an intentional message or purpose to their writing and they depend on intelligent readers to make sense of it.  If the reader is diligent about understanding the author&#039;s work, but interprets it differently than the author intended, isn&#039;t it logical to say that either 1) the reader is not skilled enough to see the meaning, or 2) the author did not write well enough to get his or her meaning across?  I find 1 or 2 more reasonable than saying the reader has discovered a meaning the author didn&#039;t intend.

I&#039;m sure an author&#039;s subconscious has an effect on his writing, but I can&#039;t imagine it to have such an impact that it would create an entirely different meaning from the author&#039;s conscious intention.

I see interpretation as the attempt to seek accurate meaning from a text relative to the author&#039;s intended meaning.  

I worry that accepting several &quot;correct&quot; interpretations (as opposed to being open to several &quot;possible&quot; interpretations) encourages students to impose their own world view on everything they read, spinning it to fit their own meaning, rather than trying to understand someone else&#039;s point of view.

Thanks again, and I look forward to your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment!  Here are some random thoughts quickly put together to help get my meaning across:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree that there are many possible &#8220;correct&#8221; meanings.  Correct in relation to what?  If it&#8217;s in relation to the author&#8217;s intended meaning, then isn&#8217;t there only one correct interpretation&#8211;that which the author intended?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m having a hard time imagining a correct interpretation that doesn&#8217;t match what the author intended.  Isn&#8217;t that called reading too much into the text?  Maybe in some fiction or poetry, when an author is trying to create a more direct experience, interpreting is somewhat irrelevant, especially if the author herself isn&#8217;t aware of any conscious meaning.</p>
<p>But many authors (if not most) have an intentional message or purpose to their writing and they depend on intelligent readers to make sense of it.  If the reader is diligent about understanding the author&#8217;s work, but interprets it differently than the author intended, isn&#8217;t it logical to say that either 1) the reader is not skilled enough to see the meaning, or 2) the author did not write well enough to get his or her meaning across?  I find 1 or 2 more reasonable than saying the reader has discovered a meaning the author didn&#8217;t intend.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure an author&#8217;s subconscious has an effect on his writing, but I can&#8217;t imagine it to have such an impact that it would create an entirely different meaning from the author&#8217;s conscious intention.</p>
<p>I see interpretation as the attempt to seek accurate meaning from a text relative to the author&#8217;s intended meaning.  </p>
<p>I worry that accepting several &#8220;correct&#8221; interpretations (as opposed to being open to several &#8220;possible&#8221; interpretations) encourages students to impose their own world view on everything they read, spinning it to fit their own meaning, rather than trying to understand someone else&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>Thanks again, and I look forward to your response.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clix</title>
		<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/comment-page-1#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Clix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles#comment-362</guid>
		<description>Hello again! I&#039;ve been reflecting on this... and I don&#039;t think the FIRST quote you pull is as objectionable as you seem to see it; I think more that Rosenblatt is saying that while there ARE many wrong readings of a text, there are also many possible correct readings - even ones an author didn&#039;t intend. I think you&#039;re right about Daniels, though - and I agree with you, to say that there aren&#039;t any wrong interpretations is ... well, wrong! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again! I&#8217;ve been reflecting on this&#8230; and I don&#8217;t think the FIRST quote you pull is as objectionable as you seem to see it; I think more that Rosenblatt is saying that while there ARE many wrong readings of a text, there are also many possible correct readings &#8211; even ones an author didn&#8217;t intend. I think you&#8217;re right about Daniels, though &#8211; and I agree with you, to say that there aren&#8217;t any wrong interpretations is &#8230; well, wrong! <img src='http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hubhg &#187; Relativism and Bad Logic in Literature Circles</title>
		<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/comment-page-1#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>hubhg &#187; Relativism and Bad Logic in Literature Circles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles#comment-314</guid>
		<description>[...] here for full [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here for full [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/comment-page-1#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles#comment-68</guid>
		<description>Thanks!  Because of your comment I found your blog--what a great resource.  I&#039;ve just subscribed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  Because of your comment I found your blog&#8211;what a great resource.  I&#8217;ve just subscribed!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Friedbeef</title>
		<link>http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles/comment-page-1#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Friedbeef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/relativism-and-bad-logic-in-literature-circles#comment-67</guid>
		<description>Awesome post - thanks for sharing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post &#8211; thanks for sharing <img src='http://www.nicksenger.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

